The Debate

I thought this was a poorly worded question.
"Secretary Clinton, I want to pursue your [economic] plan, because in many ways it is similar to the Obama stimulus plan in 2009, which has led to the slowest GDP growth since 1949."
That's Fox-News wording, If it's related to Obama or a liberal/progressive idea then it has to be spun so it appears negative or to have failed.

More on this here:

The Recovery in Perspective (Again) | Econbrowser:


Fiscal Foolishness

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Dylan and the Nobel

I grew up on Dylan. He was my dad's (an early boomer) favorite musician. I think he had every album he made, including bootlegs, along with every book. He spent hours practicing guitar and harmonica, writing Dylan-style songs. He used to tell me that someday people would be studying Dylan lyrics like poetry.

I think the Nobel proves he was right.

I like Dylan too. His early stuff got me interested in and painted my image of the 60's. He helped form my twisted view of life.

Very few can put words together or influence social change as Dylan did. The Nobel is deserved.

Still, this feels like a "Peak Boomer" moment or maybe the realization that the boomer era is about over.

The Boomers started trying to change the world for the good in the early 60's with Dylan leading the way.. civil rights, anti-war protests, sex-drugs-rock-and-roll. They aged gracefully into the not so good.. Reagan, Cocaine, The Bushes, The Clintons, corporate greed. On their way out they stick us with the Dotcom and housing bubbles, an amazingly corrupt and ineffective mix of Big Government, Global corporate power, and crazy, war-ing religions. In the end, I'm not sure the boomers made the world a better place. Different yes, but better?

Anyway, thanks boomers. What could have been...

Dylan's prize seems like the first (more to come?) of the Boomers patting themselves on the back and rewarding their heroes before they all die off.

I can't help thinking about how this election and the next ten years would look like like if we had a new Boomer generation with their Dylan?


Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize in Literature - The New York Times:

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Ted Rall on why he won't vote for Hillary.

Hey, Clintonoids, Stop Bullying Me About My Vote:

I wish I'd said that.  

Indiana is going to Trump in a landslide so my vote, or any non-Trump vote won't really matter. I'd suggest all Indiana Hillary/Trump/the System haters, write in Bernie or Jill Stein.

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38 billion dollars..

.. and all we get is another settlement.

U.S. Admits Israel Is Building Permanent Apartheid Regime — Weeks After Giving It $38 Billion:

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Shy Trump Voters?

FiveThirtyEight discussing shy Trump Voters

What Could The Polls Be Missing? | FiveThirtyEight:

Hypothesis #2: The polls are underestimating Trump because of shy Trump voters.

We’ve covered this a bit, so let’s do it quickly, but the argument is that there’s a social stigma in some areas attached to supporting Trump, so the polls are underestimating his support because some of his supporters are unwilling to say they back him.

Any takers?

harry: It is quite funny to think Trump supporters are shy when they all seem to take the time to vote in these stupid non-scientific online polls after debates.

clare.malone: In the primaries Trump voters weren’t shy, were they? Does that change for the general?

harry: Right, there is no proof they were shy in the primaries. Moreover, Trump supporters are more likely than Clinton voters to make it through the likely voter screens, indicating they are more vocal and enthusiastic in their support. The polls could still underestimate Trump, but they could also underestimate Clinton.

natesilver: In the abstract, it’s a plausible theory. There’s a fair bit of evidence on the impact of social desirability bias. I just don’t know if it fits the facts of the case all that well. Trump voters aren’t shy, for one thing. They’re actually more demonstrative than Clinton voters, in many, many respects."

Yeah, I don't think Trump voters are shy, at least not here in Teabagistan (east-central Indiana). If anything I'd guess it's the HRC voters who are a bit shy.

My current sign count (scientificaly based on several hundred miles of back-road, small-town motorcycling)

"Trump" = 345
"Hillary" = 3
"Hillary for prison" = 2
"Hillary. Lock her up" = 1

So the Trump voters around here aren't all that shy, instead I think they are rather, well, Trump-ish.

The HRC voters, hell, they almost don't exist and that just can't be right. There has to be some HRC support out here somewhere. Not a lot, but more than my sign count shows. She's not well liked out here but still, it can't be that bad.


I think the HRC supporters out here are basically afraid to show support for her. They are in a sea of half-crazed, gun-toting, Trump supporters who are also Fox News Watching Hillary haters. Putting a Hillary sign in your yard is inviting trouble so they just aren't doing it.

Still, She ain't winning Indiana

But no,... Trump voters aren't shy.


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Protest Votes

A vote for Trump will
  • Be an endorsement of a pro-white, racist candidate 
  • Embolden the racist, "Make America White Again" element here at home.
  • Help prolong our wars against various regimes around the world.
  • Guarantee Israel's settlement building, US military aid, and oppression of Palestinians.
  • Make weapons manufacturers a lot of money.
  • Lead to more free-market, business friendly,  anti-environment, R-like economic policies that favor business over people.
  • Less gridlock.
  • Reduce Taxes on the wealthy.
  • Increase taxes on the rest of us.
  • Hurt the poor and lower-middle class.
  • Help the world's elite.
  • Make the gun nuts happy.
  • Put the Taliban-like, evangelical Mike Pence one heart beat away from the presidency.

A vote for Hillary will
  • Be an endorsement of the policies that led to the Trump's rise.
  • Help prolong our wars against various regimes around the world.
  • Guarantee Israel's settlement building, US military aid, and oppression of Palestinians.
  • Make weapons manufacturers a lot of money.
  • Lead to more free-market, business friendly,  pro-environment, D-like economic policies that favor business over people. 
  • Lead to four more years of gridlock.
  • Have little affect on taxes on the wealthy.
  • Have little affect on taxes on the rest of us.
  • Hurt the lower-middle class.
  • Help the world's elite.
  • Piss-off the gun nuts even though there will be no gun control legislation
  • Keep the Taliban-like, evangelical Mike Pence far away from the presidency.

I can't vote for either.

For those on the left with similar feelings. I'd suggest a protest vote only if you live in a Deep Red state like Indiana, where Trump is going to win regardless of the left-wing vote.

Write in "Jill Stein", "Bernie Sanders" or "None of the above". 

The D's have to be told that they can't just keep forcing crappy establishment candidates on the people.

For the rest of you, let your conscience be your guide,

Vote HRC if your stomach will allow but, as a party, the R's have already crashed-and-burned. The D's may have to crash too if we're ever going to get a governing class that cares about the people.


Broken Guardrails of Democracy

Pretty good read here.

Donald Trump and the Seven Broken Guardrails of Democracy - The Atlantic:

A couple of thoughts...

Trump is the candidate of the Fox News crowd, nothing else. Most of what he says (believes ?) comes from the highlight reel of Fox News Crazy during the Obama years, The R's had used the Fox News group to stop Obama policy and make pretty nice gains in the last few elections but they finally lost control. Trump is the result. (I'd like to see a map of Trump supporters vs Fox News ratings.)

On this
62 percent of Republicans insisted that “ordinary Americans” would do a better job solving the country’s problems than professional politicians.
Why wouldn't they think that? The pols, D or R, they elected sure didn't fix their problems.

If the establishment, either D's or the R's, had spent some of the last 30 years focusing on the plight of middle class Americans instead of the plight of big business, multi-national corporations, the filthy rich and war, these people wouldn't be up in arms.

The system is broken.

R voters think big bad government is to blame. D voters think the greed of the filthy rich and the multi-nationals are to blame. Both are right. The government the R's hate is the result of our "Government of the people" being captured by the filthy rich and the multi-nationals. The people are going to be up in arms until the government focuses on them again.

The R's lost control this year but the D's were close to losing it too. It took a herculean effort of the D establishment and the Media to hold off Bernie and put HRC in the seat. If things don't change, Their Trump will come.

Stop American Corrupitalism and get back to a government that works for more people and the Trump-Like candidates will fade into history.


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